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Drippings from the Honeycomb

 More to be desired are [the rules of the Lord] than gold, even much fine gold; sweeter also than honey and drippings of the honeycomb. (Psalm 19:10)

What was Satan doing in Heaven? (Job 1–2)

1/9/2020

 
*Firstly, let it be said that Job is a book that must be understood in its entirety. It is best to read it all at once even and to recognize that some things—for instance what the friends say—may not be true but serve the book in highlighting what is ultimately true. For a good overview watch this video from the Bible Project.
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Was Job real?

Some have suggested that Job never existed, that Job is merely a fictitious story about a man meant to convey eternal truths that are real. If this were the case, Satan’s presence in the story wouldn’t raise so many questions—it would be hypothetical.

However, the rest of the Bible interprets the story as being real. This is the case with Ezekiel (Ezk 14:14) and also James the brother of Jesus (Ja 5:11). So, this doesn’t provide an answer.
It wasn’t Satan but the Satan.

The Hebrew word here means accuser or adversary and is generally used in these ways, not speaking of a person. It could be that this is not Satan but an angel whose role it is to accuse those on earth in the heavenly courtroom—“the accuser.” However the presence of the definitive article, along with other contexts in which it refers to a specific person make it more likely it is to be understood not as a role but a name—THE accuser. Thus, this is Satan as seen in 1 Chr 21:1 and Rev 12:9. That his appearance is out of place and his role fits that of Satan’s generally further supports this.

Did the episode take place in heaven?

Maybe the way around the natural uncomfortableness of seeing God’s arch enemy appear in heaven—a place of holiness—can be resolved by seeing the location of this court as somewhere other than heaven. This is possible. The scene is of a king’s court, where in years past the executive, legislative and judicial aspects of governance were executed through one man, the king. Usually this took place in the throne room of the castle or palace, however, it was also common for there to be an assize, a travelling court throughout the kingdom. Could this be a cosmic assize where the LORD is executing governance in one specific location other than in heaven? After all He is omnipresent.

Two things suggest otherwise. The first is that the courtroom of heaven is the normative location for such events described in the Bible. The second is that when Satan is asked where he has come from his reply is “earth.” This world clearly conveys that the LORD must in fact be holding court in heaven.

What then?
Before we decide, two other important details can be noted:

  1. He is an outsider (“Satan also came among them”).
  2. His authority is not absolute for he relies on the LORD’s permission. His activity is bound by what the LORD says (e.g. “Only against him do not stretch out your hand.”).

Still, what on earth was Satan doing in heaven? Satan is the head of the rebellion against the LORD. Satan stands for evil and yet Ps 5:4 says “You allow no evil in your presence.” Here lies the dilemma, Satan is there as the epitome of evil, yet God has said this cannot be, yet both are recorded in the Bible—what now?

I would suggest we need to understand “your presence” in the language of the courtroom as meaning—at least one possibility—seriously entertaining. God cannot and will not seriously entertain Satan in his courtroom. He is the Rebel of rebels. He does not belong there as his awkward entrance makes clear. Yet God permits his entrance and between the LORD and his fallen angel a higher battle plays out, one in which God will triumph over Satan through His servant Job. I would suggest this episode may be likened to a good employer who fires a troublesome employee. One day, the employer is having a board meeting or a meeting with supervisors on the workplace floor, and in struts the ex-employee, full of no good. The good employer’s character and wisdom is so great that he is not threatened by this ex-employee who stoops so low. The man is out of place, even permitted to enter by the employers discretion, yet for the manifold declaration of the employers justice and control, he allows even this worthless ex-employee to enter, even scheme, so that in the end it may be shown how utterly foolish he is, and how wonderful the employer is. The employer is not threatened or his goodness impinged and it is clear the incident is not normative.[1]

There are other questions from this passage that remain,[2] but this at least provides an answer to the question “what Satan may have been up to in heaven and how it was possible.”


[1] We also need to remember this happened quite early in Creation, I dare say things have change a bit since then in the dynamic between heaven and hell. Since Satan is part of the created the role that he presently has has not always been that way, so their relationship could have still been evolving.

[2] Can Satan, as the prince of this world, influence the weather, I thought that was God’s prerogative?; How is it that God wills Job harm?
grace
11/12/2020 04:38:39 am

Satan is able to stand in heaven because that is probably the spot of Adam. when Adam sin, Satan took his position. That said, Satan CANNOT stand in heaven now. Jesus Christ's blood has washed that spot clean. The last perfect Adam has replaced the first Adam spot.

Emmanuel
11/23/2021 01:13:54 pm

Hmmmm. Please do you have a scriptural reference or backup for this... It sounds interesting to study

James luker
2/17/2022 11:48:06 am

My answer my name is James Satan had a job to do and he would been doing it in heaven just like if we have a job and we're working on it we do it we're working on the job doing our job then all of a sudden we decide to steal or do wrong at the job at that moment there will be a judgment we can look at it in a weird sense of okay God spoke to the devil via intercom or he was right in his presence at that particular moment and he was judged and cast out of heaven

Karine Young link
8/25/2021 11:31:10 am

Hi there, this is pertaining to the third sentence from the bottom. You were wondering how long Lucifer was up to no good in heaven. Since God is long suffering, he already knew that Lucifer was slowly changing but was allowing him another chance and another one to get it together like he does for the rest of his children. I know that you know that, God can see very deep within us. So time and time again he forgives us, and he show us new mercy everyday, even pass,current, and future mercy. If God can forgive us (Man) that many times, why not his angels the same. He, (God) doesn't owe us an explanation! I mean, that I am not concerned, but I am Glad eternal life is offered, a new Great life. and the love that God has shown me, saving me from myself, I was self destructing! No, I'm not concerned why. The only thing coming from my mouth is, Thank you Lord! and I love you Lord.

Chris Crocker
10/27/2021 06:52:12 am

Dear Karine,

Thank you for your thoughtful post.

Indeed, the Lord is longsuffering with sinners and His general will is that all be saved. However, verses like 2 Pe 2:4 and Jude 1:6 speak of there being a different will for these fallen angels, only judgement.

God's grace leads us to praise His glory. His justice is likewise a means in which we can glorify Him (Ro 9:22-23).

Blessings

Donald David
10/26/2021 01:56:49 pm

Bible is quite clear that no evil person will enter heaven. Satan is the epitome of evil,therefore in the scripture under consideration the angels and Satan could have appeared before God in a place other than heaven. The word heaven is not mentioned in the first chapter of Job..,therefore we should avoid unnecessary interpretations.

Chris Crocker
10/27/2021 06:47:53 am

Dear Donald,
Thank you for taking the time to leave a comment on this blog.

I agree that no sinner can enter into eternal life, apart from faith in Christ.

I addressed the points you raised (mis-interpretation) in the post about, however, I'll reiterate them here. The court room scene is a standard Biblical image of the heavenly court room. This is further emphasized in the wording of Satan coming "from the earth." The majority of commentators from many different traditions agree that Satan was in heaven. We must always take what the Bible says at face value and then wrestle with how that fits together with other teachings (i.e. His holiness). In this case, the tension produced the question this blog sought to answer, "what was Satan doing in heaven?"

Thanks again and blessings

janice
11/14/2021 05:51:40 am

This was an interesting read. I'm currently reading Job at the tough time in my life and the seemingly random question popped in my mind "what in the world is satan doing in heaven???". Thanks for the write-up.

Christine
11/30/2021 01:01:07 am

There is one very important occasion in the Bible that can't be denied, where sinners and Satan appear before our holy God. It's called The Judgement.

Just like all the different aspects of our salvation, that can be encompassed between the Lamb slain for us even before Creation and up to receiving our eternal heavy bodies with our resurrection at the Second Coming of Christ - and centered eternally on the Cross - so too is our judgement intimately connected with our redemption.

Aspects of our judgement (also our absolution, justification and vindication) can be seen right from God's sentence over Satan in heaven when he was cast out, in Eden, at the Cross, in our own personal lives (search me O God!), on earth before and after God's Second Coming.

I believe that the book of Job foreshadows that big Day of Judgement and Vindication. Job proclaims God as his Redeemer, calls on Him as his witness, advocate and friend: "My eyes will behold Him, and not as a stranger."

Having God as our Judge implies that (for those who call on His Name), He imparts His righteousness onto us, governs us in all aspects, and He judges FOR us and not against us.

And if God is for us, who can be against us?

Basil ochieng link
12/15/2021 02:24:59 pm

In Noah's time did the floods cover the entire earth?

DANTE RAMOS PELAEZ
1/25/2022 06:38:46 am

Hi, I am presently studyinig this part of the book of Job with the question what is Satan doing there in the courtroom of heaven.
My previous thought is that while Satan was sentenced to the lake of fire in Mt. 25:41, it is obvious that there was a delay. The possibility of delayed execution of justice seems due to an appeal. I have read some teachings that Satan is at present has access in the courtroom of heaven presenting his appeal and possibly trying to defend himself that he don't deserve eternal punishment by pointing out that even Christians as in the case of Job could fail. The same he is trying to solicit among God's children. Just my thought that he has his agenda every time he appear in the courtroom of heaven, that is accusing us and he don't deserve eternal damnation from God.

Joseph Bonton
3/1/2022 04:51:04 pm

God is in charge of all things, nothing can take place without he sanctioning it.Even the devil has t seek his permission.(Job 1: 6; 2:6) ( John 19:11)He permits things to happen because they havea divine purpose.(Proverbs 16:1). He also came to the awareness that God can do all things, and no plan of his can be thwarted (Job 42:2)

John link
3/14/2022 12:16:55 pm

I’ve given considerable thought to this subject of satan being allowed to come to the thrown of God.
If this were the case the is allowing in his presence the evil he threw out. The scene is assumed in heaven / the judgment seat. Does the Sons of God mean
In this case angels or men. The word presence can how more than one inference . I can go into the presence of God from earth, and satan can meet us there let’s consider all that is in the scripture.
Jb



Robyn
5/10/2022 09:18:44 am

God is omnipresent, meaning he is everywhere.. no where does it indicate that God was sitting in Heaven when the angels (sons of God) gathered to worship him and satan showed up.

Shamrock
5/19/2022 01:23:12 pm

Just a thought. Jesus is god. Jesus is totally allowed to be in the presence of imperfection (on earth, etc.). The book of Job doesn't explicitly say that God in this case was "The Father" specifically. Could it be that this special location of a spiritual realm was headed by the aspect of God in Jesus' form? If this is questionable in relation to the rest of Job God is equated with the creation of the universe basically. Is it not said that Jesus has been there before the beginning and through him all things were created. This scenario may allow for a caveat to the situation where The Father's presence isn't tainted and yet can still delegate the authority over "the accuser"

Irvine Marimo
6/14/2022 12:55:46 am

Study would suggest that the book of Job might possibly be the oldest book in the bible ie being even older than the book of Genesis , wriiten detailing life during pre Adamic times before SATAN destroyed the earth into a void and completely dark state as seen in Genesis 1 .

We then see God re creating the earth in Genesis and replenishing the earth suggesting an original earth was there before. It is during these pre adamic times that satan was allowed in Gods presence as Lucifer before pride overtook him and was banished from Gods presence. scientific evidence clearly suggests the existence of human beings prior to Adam and therefore Job fits into this dispensation as during his time Lucifer was allowed in Gods presence


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